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Earlier I concluded with cause-effect reasoning that God is said to be bodiless, he cannot work on matter to produce the world. You said God was cuatting. His reasoning is same as the reasoning of Indian nyayic theism. According to him, this world is product of creator God. So what is remained in this fref If you call only perceivable things real, then you have got a problem because you shouldn't be using a device that sends non-perceivable signals through the air.

You seem to be bemused about theism, atheism and agnostic. He was an agnoisitc theist. When you know there is a God but you cannot know any of his characteristics, is agnosticism. His God is omnipotence, free online indian chatting and merciful but human cannot know those attributes.

He is omnipotence, united, eternal, all-powerful and perfect but we cannot have exact knowledge of God. We can know those attributes with universal things. This theory of Aquinas is not contradictory to theism. Also he elaborates bodiless God and cause-effect reasoning for free online indian chatting him by humans. I argument-ed against it earlier and some other posts in same thread. The argument against his god can be given by an other way too- An objection on his omnipotence I raised when you asked how relation of houses and God comes into.

God is held to be one on the ground that, if there were many gods they would act with different plans and purposes, and consequently a harmonious world, as we have, wouldn't have been possible.

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If you free online indian chatting with the perceivable things and simply say you cannot perceive the origin of the universe and thus you don't know, you are agnostic. There will be 7 probabilities not only four take the idea of a spectrum of probabilities seriously, and place human judgments about the aurelia IA adult personals of God along it, between two extremes of opposite certainty.

The spectrum is continuous, but it can be represented by the following seven milestones along the way. An example of agnostic atheist- 'A friend, who was brought up a Jew and still observes the sabbath and other Jewish customs out of loyalty to his heritage, describes himself as a 'tooth fairy agnostic'. He regards God as no more probable than the tooth fairy.

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That is the point of the argument I. And the answer God is not more irrational than the inddian irrational answer. If "the world" was the answer, then this world that you say is the reason for its own existence would be irrational. I elaborated naturalism or materialism theory after my two sentences. I would not reiterate for. Reiterating anything is waste of time. The answer chathing already be given, when you will reply on that I will reply you ahead.

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In an incident protestants were too much than other protestants. Therefore, no. Of death in second incident. Science was developed in catholic universities. Science is not anti-christian. Also "science" just like IQ is not an argument. A christian has to follow his religion until 18 because his parents told him to do so. He has not been granted to choose free online indian chatting religion before this age. Some universities might be full chqtting those students.

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I wonder if those numbers would still be the same if everyone had understood these things But yeah, it is no proof. It does not make any sense because you have just a mindset. I'm just wondering if it would be different, that's all. I mean education does influence opinion: Lets onlime god erotic black lesbian the universe according to bible's genesis, God needed 6 days to create the universe but he did rest on 7th day.

What kind of almighty creator needs rest? One more thing, a day is the time needed for Earth to complete one rotation on its axis. So how days passed if Earth and Sun were not created yet?

How did he measured this time? Why would you even assume, that I'd take the bible literally? That indeed would be a lack of intelligence sorry to everyone who does. Here you are being hypocrite. Why should ijdian assume universe without god's existence? An assumption is called supposition or Guess. An intelligent free online indian chatting would always write both guesses.

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It must have been obvious onlne to them, that the sun is in fact the origin of light. Actually there are enough ancient texts that show that people did in fact understand. So why in the world would God create light before the sun or the stars? The answer old romantic couple, that this is the light of reason, of understanding, of truth. If you want to free online indian chatting where I'm coming from I recommend Dr.

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And if you enjoy something you can really relax. So as you can see, all of Genesis is really about the relationship between God and us. Not about how the earth was created in a literal sense. This is the central question. Every element in the chain has the one element before it as cause, as reason for being. But what reason does the whole chain have? There is no rational answer to this question.

This is the point of the whole argument. If God is not the root cause of the chain, then the chain is endless. But saying that the chain is endless does not absolve it from needing a cause to exist in the first place. Human reason best friends hot mom sex this, we cannot think any other way. So if the chain was indeed endless which is the only alternative to God being the root cause then it would not make sense to reason, it would be irrational.

If he was the root cause of all things, we couldn't perceive daily that many objects like houses, pots etc ain't produced by God. We observe that many human beings like masons and even lower animals like ants and bees act together harmoniously to build free online indian chatting like palaces, ant-hills and hives.

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Things don't just happen. That idea is more than just irrational There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the poverty of our imagination. You are right, you can assume that the world is eternal. And yes, it is due to our inability to understand the nature of free online indian chatting one first reason. It will forever remain non-understandable to us, for this is how reason works.

And this is the definition of the word irrational: And it is not a question of who is more intelligent. Every atheist will agree that this conundrum is indeed irrational, once she understands what I am talking. It's just like with mathematics: Before you understood it, you might not have agreed, but once you understand it, you have no choice.

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